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Poster: ganges Date: Jan 7, 2007 12:03am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: spiritual aspects of the GD


from Jerrob H. "But it was the Dead's spiritual philosophy that also attracted and inspired me. To me, that philosophy embodies such attributes as kindness, compassion, openness, discernment, faith, high ideals, harmony, joy, inner knowledge, intuition, patience, self-responsibility, tolerance, wisdom and a 'gentle love for All That Is'. "

Very very very well put for me!! Thanks, this is what I tried to say, obviously not finding the right words ( I was kind of discouraged again after 4 replys and 150 views, still learning to accept "stuff"), I might have not said it that way being afraid of stepping on peoples toes (do you say that?), because spirituality is kind of a tough subject for many, it seems to me (prejudice, false views etc...).

Acid in 70/71 opened the doors for me to "turn spiritual" , I always regret that the GD turned to the hard drugs, as coke and heroin from LSD, which I myself never considered a real hard drug, even though I saw people, who's lives have been severely damaged by it, I guess it's hard in a wrong setting. And the GD were maybe the only band providing the "space" for people to experience the expansion of consciousness without being afraid of anything in their shows (I never had that experience being over here in Europe though).
And that opening (for some people) of doors they hadn't known of before, led to different consequences for different people, I think. For me, I didn't want to keep on doing acid my whole life and was GRATEFUL to find my experiences described almost exactly in several teachings from the east, and I have been sticking to practice things like yoga and meditation ever since.

I have long been thinking what Jerrys relation to India was, I never read of anything, but Bob and Deborah went to Varanasi to scatter parts of his ashes in the ganges (read McNallys book), there must be something there, I wonder if anyone has something to say about that???

A very intersting topic, at least for me. And I'll be going to that place again in a couple of weeks (Varanasi and other places in India) for different reasons.

"Thank you people, see you all later on" J.G. after a fantasic JGB (first set!!!!!)show 3-18-78, Warner Music Theatre Hall, Washington DC


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Poster: rosey842 Date: Jan 7, 2007 6:26pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: spiritual aspects of the GD

I was raised Catholic so if anyone should have a "guilt trip" it should be me. After watching my parents divorce & realizing the phoniness of organized religion I came back to the Dead full circle. I don't know what faith each member of the band was raised in, if any. But a band doesn't perform songs like "Greatest Story" or "Samson" or even some of the old bluegrass spirituals they did acoustic if there wasn't some sort of belief. In the total "live & let live" philosophy it all makes sense. Even the most calming songs like Brokedown Palace, To Lay Me Down, Comes A Time, Black Muddy River etc. have a calming undertone for me. Having lost two close friends in 2006 I know the Dead helped me through a lot. I drove around for a week just replaying Comes A Time. When all is said & done, they definitely are a spiritual band who can help us through anything. Just my thoughts, for what they're worth. Peace everyone.

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Poster: deadmax Date: Jan 7, 2007 7:17pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: spiritual aspects of the GD

Jerrob and Ganges - thanks for opening up and being honest in a way that is important to you - just as others do. The problem is, they are assholes and you are not :)

The spiritual side of the GD is important and for me (because that's all I am - except for some bullshit I might bore you about on the "OMG I fucked up!" forum).

But the GD were just an expanding part of that experience which tied in everything else and helped make it make sense. Obviously I haven't learned from that. But for me it DID make more sense even though the shows were just a big hoot-fest with all the crazies.

Point is - It's nice to see some posting that is different from the norm. It adds nicely to what is going on here and I, personally, am glad for it.

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Poster: Jerrob Hungar Date: Jan 8, 2007 9:39am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: spiritual aspects of the GD

I just have to say I really appreciate the positive comments cos I had some doubts about coming down this road. I wondered if some may object because its not about GD, but to me its everything about GD. Like you, Rosey, I lost people close to me in 2006, especially my best friend and my mother, which partly explains my recent posts. This is part of the grieving process for me and I'm also thinking of all the other families and friends going through the same process just now, especially those who have lost loved ones in Iraq and Afghanistan. I also think about Jerry and how the loss of his Dad at such a young age affected him and how he absorbed that pain and returned it to us with such agonising beauty. These days I can't listen to 'he was a friend of mine', sing me back home', 'death don't have no mercy' and others without breaking but I find it so therapeutic, it really lifts me up. And 'Days Between'...
P.S. Direwolf speaks the words of truth. To paraphrase the line in Outlaw Josey Wales 'There is iron in your words of truth' spoken by Ten Bears.

This post was modified by Jerrob Hungar on 2007-01-08 17:39:16

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Poster: GratefulME Date: Jan 8, 2007 11:38am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: spiritual aspects of the GD

seeing this post made me think.And yes i feel the same way, ive always felt fortunate to have experienced the grateful dead in my own very tough times.

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Poster: direwolf0701 Date: Jan 8, 2007 10:11am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: spiritual aspects of the GD

"I wondered if some may object because its not about GD"

It has everything to do with the greatful dead imho (as deadmax said previously.) This is the type of post that we as heads can feel special about.

p.s. I am so very sorry to hear about the loss of your mom. my heartfelt condolences and prayers to you.

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Poster: cush11 Date: Jan 8, 2007 10:15am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: spiritual aspects of the GD

The Grateful Dead have ALWAYS made the hard times, big or little a bit easier to get through for me too...

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Poster: Kimbajed Date: Jan 7, 2007 4:09pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: spiritual aspects of the GD

I too share the spiritual leanings of all things GD. Interesting though that all that spiritual energy was being channeled through Jerry. Could you find a person more connected to/addicted to more worldy appetites than Cpt. Trips? IMHO this proves that God has a sense of humor!

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Poster: direwolf0701 Date: Jan 7, 2007 6:55pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: spiritual aspects of the GD

i'm not totally convinced that "all" the spiritual energy was "chanelled" through Jerry. Yes, he may have sang many of the so called spiritual songs, and yes, he had the spiritual sound of his guitar. But the entire band chanalled what i felt what was referred to in the middle ages as the "music of the spheres." That was the spiritual essence i personally absorbed during their shows and while listening to their music. It is certainly not "just" Jerry to me. He sure has a "soulful" voice - but it is the whole GD "package" that does it for me. It is the whole "sphere" that is rounded out by each individual member or each incarnation of the GD that brings me such spiritual joy in different musical ways, 60's, 70's, 80', early 90', and even the painful later 90's when that beautiful sphere began to crack.

that whole package is what sends me to where i want to go within my inner consciousness as well as out into the far reaches of natures wonders each time i hear the first note until i hear the echo of the last.


just my pathetic one and a half cents

This post was modified by direwolf0701 on 2007-01-08 02:55:56

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Poster: Cranky1 Date: Jan 7, 2007 7:46am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: spiritual aspects of the GD

Jerry was much influenced by Jack Kerouac and other Beats. I believe he felt that he was part of a continuation of that movement and philosophy. Certainly San Francisco was the place for it. "On The Road" is always worth a read, but try to find "Dharma Bums" and see if you don't recognize some roots of the Dead's philosophy. "Electric Kool Aid Acid Test" by Tom Wolfe kind of takes it forward a generation from Kerouac and chronicles the further .

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Poster: Jerrob Hungar Date: Jan 7, 2007 4:48am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: spiritual aspects of the GD

Thank you Ganges. Your posts (and Max's, 'I am' ) are examples of the reasons I came out of lurk mode. Your openness, your willingness to show your vulnerability speaks directly to me as I've hidden away for so long, frightened of being ridiculed and put down. Like you, acid opened doors to all levels of my existence but for me it was too much too soon and the resultant confusion led me to heroin. However, I realised that I had to make a choice, to be or not to be. So I started to try to heal myself. In my case, it was my emotions that were out of control but I couldn't find the right belief system to help me manage my emotions so I just listened to the music play. ( I remember Timothy Leary's books 'Start Your Own Religion' and 'The Politics of Ecstasy being influences.) ( Also R.D. Laing's books) (actually, a lot of books).
So I tried to develop spiritual values in my life and gradually life became less of a struggle. I got off the smackaroni, made some real friends, went back to college, got a job, fell in love with a wonderful person and have two beautiful children. I thank Jerry and Robert every day but thats not to say that life aint hard sometimes and when I'm really low thoughts of suicide do cross my mind but its not so hard to shove them aside.
I think spirituality means different things to different people. To me, it means aspiring to a higher consciousness by developing the attributes that I mentioned in my first post. Its not the same as religion as you can be spiritual without being religious and vice versa. One of the things that kept me lurking was the fear of going into blah de blah mode so thats all folks.

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Poster: ganges Date: Jan 7, 2007 11:59am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: spiritual aspects of the GD

Jerrob Hungar, thank you for sharing your story, I'm glad you found that inner strength. Sometimes we need a miracle and help comes, if we try to be open.

All the best for now.